Luke,
From what I heard, read and understood is that Prop 8 passed b/c the gay community did not invest in & address the black and hispanic communities, which are traditionally very homophobic (usually more than whites). No matter how much money was thrown at it by the rich, directly addressing these two groups is what the gay groups have to do b/c it was where they failed this time around; and they would be the first to admit that. This is an example of the "fly over states" effecting CA policies, not the other way around as you first portended, but I think have since retracted.
As I said, progression happens, everywhere, at each regions own pace, but the question you have to ask is; weather or not human rights or civil rights are being suppressed or violated; and if you force that change what are the unforeseeable outcomes. Consider and nadir of race relations.
We might be emulating the UK economic systems (and even looking to their HC system). But people should really consider that they just might get what they wish for, and look real hard at what UHC means if we base it on any Euro country, Japan, Canada, etc. etc. There is a big price to pay for it, believe me. We are talking about a huge HUGE philosophical change in the US; gov rule over citizens rights; for better or worst, that is a huge change to this nation, in other words, kiss your 3K start-up tax break goodbye. We will have to become a nation of the babysat, not entrepreneur, free economy risk-takers. And there are pop. numbers to consider that no one is considering right now. If you worked for a Forbes Co. and proposed to your boss that, what worked for this small Co. should work out just the same for a Fortune 500 Co. you would probably be fired. You cannot just plug-in another nations' HC system and think that it would work here.
Look into to other nations HC system, honestly; look at the detractions and problems they are facing, and when and where there is a positive thing, ask yourself how is that situation is different here, apply pop numbers, immigration status, taxes, rights, demographics, national philosophy, national pride and communal centrality, etc. etc.
It's kind of like the Green thing; great! we're now on board as a nation to go green, I think that that is great; but now the realities set in (that liberals never, ever consider) that it is going to be a whole lot harder, extremely hard to implement a green energy plan than previously thought.
We have to think abstractly and be realistic if you want to really consider what would work here, and take the good with the bad. It's not easy, but I feel that it is needed now more than ever. The hard sell worked, we're on board as a nation on both UHC and green energy, now it's time to get down to work and lose the high hopes that was important to get us here, but have no place here now.
On a side note; I find it interesting that no one is talking about air travel and an alternative energy for that. Why? It is another ugly little secret that the greenies don't want you to consider; no air travel means global change to us all. What will the effects be? While the internet opens the world, the green revolution might be closing it. That means no quick trip home for the holidays for you all and the like, unless your boss will let you drive your hybrid car cross country and take another week or two off. Point being, there are a lot of interesting and major fallout’s for both the green thing and the HC thing.
By the way, you know I an a green conscience person so I don't think that some of these fallout's are a bad thing; hyper-speed bullet trains, clean energy nuclear trans-oceanic ships, are all good things, we just need to get there, and not be fooled by delusions of hope and empty promises.
I am working at a brick and mortal "start up," so I hope that you are right about that.
-Peace out,
-Chris
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
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